tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post3157080096608779666..comments2023-06-18T09:57:56.075-04:00Comments on Dead Theologians: TATTOOS-Part 2Dead Theologianshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04749051924964777945noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-26404168508308251642010-12-25T18:11:59.737-05:002010-12-25T18:11:59.737-05:00To those say people are wrong for tattoos because ...To those say people are wrong for tattoos because they want to draw attention to themselves, how is that different than wearing name brand clothes?deadheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17759687010460231714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-11674491830993857242010-12-25T18:11:39.925-05:002010-12-25T18:11:39.925-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.deadheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17759687010460231714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-69461391151197121382009-09-21T03:38:34.700-04:002009-09-21T03:38:34.700-04:00Is it not a sin to judge people? The outward appea...Is it not a sin to judge people? The outward appearance does not give way to know what is on the inside. There is no way to truly know what is in one's heart. Also i pose this question why give people free will only to punish them later because you didn't like the choices they made.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-47084463887886054202009-08-14T02:11:12.104-04:002009-08-14T02:11:12.104-04:00Truth be told...this is "art" ..look up ...Truth be told...this is "art" ..look up the description of the word..its extremely open to interpretation. And furthermore...unless you have a satanic tattoo...how does a clover or a wolf tattoo say that your "unholy" on the inside? I am a Christian and have been for many years but people need to stop looking at others as "sinners" and more as a fellow human being...alot of my friends that have tattoos are much more forgiving than the liberal Christian ones that dont. You call it vanity...but what do you call it when a Christian talks about his "pure" body? Its all vanity...just allow people to express themselves freely and leave the judging to God.Requianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922311644683136335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-82304879512182913272009-07-23T19:12:04.480-04:002009-07-23T19:12:04.480-04:00Jack,
>>Second off, why do you care what he...Jack,<br /><br />>>Second off, why do you care what he and many people like him (me being one of them) do to there bodies, they're not forcing you to do it. <br /><br />Because you have been given your body and to desecrate it by any means is wrong.<br /><br />Like I said in my post...<br />For my critics out there let me make some disclaimers.<br /><br /><br />-I am not discussing those who have already had this done.<br />-I am not discussing those who are not saved.<br />-I do not care if someone is using it to "witness" to those around them. You know who you are.<br />-I did not say that anyone having anything done to their body is going to roast in Hell.<br /><br />>>Working on the pretext that changing you body and appearance is vanity and thus a sin means that every body who styles their hair or chooses to wear certain clothes. Thus everybody in vain.<br /><br />Bad logic.<br />Changing something and altering something are two different things.<br /><br />>>Let people do what they want to their bodies, stop judging people because you don't understand why they do it.<br /><br />Can't do it. We should never desecrate our bodies. Especially those who call themselves Christians. <br /><br />Why don't you stop judging me and let me have my say???<br /><br />DTDead Theologianshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04749051924964777945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-92165977253978796992009-07-01T14:05:22.095-04:002009-07-01T14:05:22.095-04:00First off those aren't tattoos. They are simpl...First off those aren't tattoos. They are simply silicone implants, they have nothing to do with tattoos. <br /><br />Second off, why do you care what he and many people like him (me being one of them) do to there bodies, they're not forcing you to do it. <br /><br />As for it being vanity is a load of rubbish. Working on the pretext that changing you body and appearance is vanity and thus a sin means that every body who styles their hair or chooses to wear certain clothes. Thus everybody in vain.<br /><br />Let people do what they want to their bodies, stop judging people because you don't understand why they do it.Jacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-22830870980003687822008-07-19T16:43:00.000-04:002008-07-19T16:43:00.000-04:00Hello Bethie,Thanks for your comment.>>Chris...Hello Bethie,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comment.<BR/><BR/>>>Christians over the years have become cut off from the world. How can you speak to those of the world if you are nothing like them? If you have nothing in common with them? Will the world listen to a pristine priest speaking in tongues on his high pedestal?<BR/><BR/>So we should lower ourselves to the ways of the world so that we can talk to the world? Never lower the standard.<BR/><BR/>>>Or would they rather listen to someone who looks like and speaks like them. How can you win people over if you have removed yourself from them? If you have already decided that you can not and will not be like them. <BR/><BR/>We "win" people by our different lifestyles. Holiness should be priority one, not compromise. God is the One who ultimately wins them, not us. We are just trophies of His grace.<BR/><BR/>>>Body modification in of them selves is nothing wrong<BR/><BR/>I am reminded of 1Cor. 6.19.<BR/>Our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit. We are to take care of it, not damage it. Pagan religions in the Bible and of old tortured, colored or mutilated their bodies. Why should we follow suit?<BR/><BR/>>>some use it as a form of supplication<BR/><BR/>huh?<BR/><BR/>>>Some of us use it as a record of pain, gains and losses. Some of us need the hurt to keep us sane.<BR/><BR/>Do you have scripture to back up this demented line of thinking? If not, then what we are talking about is relativism. What is right for you might not be right for me and I have no right in questioning it. Right?<BR/><BR/>>>Think about that before you judge… and then choose for yourself what you think is right and wrong.<BR/><BR/>As I said, relativism.<BR/><BR/>You have just given me a great topic to write in my next post.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/>DTDead Theologianshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04749051924964777945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-85898643451331010352008-07-18T19:33:00.000-04:002008-07-18T19:33:00.000-04:00You tend to think it is generally unwise to modify...You tend to think it is generally unwise to modify your body. Wouldn't that be up to the person's convictions? Every person is different. No one but god can judge, it is not left up to mere mortals. <BR/><BR/>Christians over the years have become cut off from the world. How can you speak to those of the world if you are nothing like them? If you have nothing in common with them? Will the world listen to a pristine priest speaking in tongues on his high pedestal? Or would they rather listen to someone who looks like and speaks like them. How can you win people over if you have removed yourself from them? If you have already decided that you can not and will not be like them. <BR/><BR/>The outside is the story of what is on the inside. Like a trail of who you are and where you have been and it is there for others to read and relate to. Every line, every wrinkle, every scar, cut, bruise, tattoo, piercing… they are what makes every person unique. <BR/><BR/>Body modification in of them selves is nothing wrong; it is what is in your heart behind the body modifications… some use it as a form of supplication. Some of us use it as a record of pain, gains and losses. Some of us need the hurt to keep us sane. Think about that before you judge… and then choose for yourself what you think is right and wrong.Lilithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18252199982573838140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-72986917327513397472008-04-03T16:40:00.000-04:002008-04-03T16:40:00.000-04:00I cant say i read all the responses on this but i ...I cant say i read all the responses on this but i felt like posting my own slightly under informed. Vanity is a sin, u are using yourself as a tool to use others. Beauty is a different creature tho. If u do something because u find it beautiful and it does no harm to others it is your choice. When u do something for others perceptions thats vanity. I am a tattoo artist. I do not stick anything on anybody and almost often as not turn people away. I am a great supporter of beauty but a perpetual opponent to stupid rash decisions and false pretenses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-13162202967489636342007-09-04T18:45:00.000-04:002007-09-04T18:45:00.000-04:00DSS,"The blood of bulls and goats never saved anyo...DSS,<BR/><BR/>"The blood of bulls and goats never saved anyone."<BR/><BR/>That is my point and has been... if all Jesus did was die on a Cross, our sin are all forgiven... yet we have not received the LIFE that comes from the resurrection<BR/><BR/>The Life is in the Son... not in the Cross... <BR/><BR/>That is what I mean when I stated you cannot equate forgiveness with salvation... for they were already forgiven through the sacrifice... but this one is different in that the Sacrifice ROSE FROM THE DEAD! LOL! Isn't that glorious!?<BR/><BR/>I already gave the scirpture in Romans that stated that we are reconciled by His Death(as our sins are atoned at the Cross) but we shall be saved by His Life!<BR/> <BR/><BR/> "Romans 5:10. For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!"<BR/><BR/><BR/>If Jesus had not risen, which is the focus here, then we are still dead men forgiven... there is no life if Jesus has not risen... as Paul stated, "we are more to be pitied."<BR/><BR/>So as I was stating, the issue is that Calvin and Luther combined forgiveness and Salvation with the Cross... (the Cross is the door to salvation, but Salvation is of God through Jesus Christ.)<BR/><BR/>Blessings,<BR/>iggyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08894632401827590745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-65500371322252534732007-09-04T06:59:00.000-04:002007-09-04T06:59:00.000-04:00Hey iggy,"Do you not realize God had the forgivene...Hey iggy,<BR/><BR/>"Do you not realize God had the forgiveness issue already handled in the OT... it was part of the Law and that by sacrifice one was forgiven... yet, man was still to die... be it a forgiven dead man."<BR/><BR/>The blood of bulls and goats never saved anyone. <BR/><BR/>Hebrews 10:4: "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins."<BR/><BR/>The Old Testament saints looked to the future Messiah for the salvation of their souls. They were saved through faith, just as we are.Deborahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00500233886533478141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-44089799336122469902007-09-03T21:14:00.000-04:002007-09-03T21:14:00.000-04:00I also want to know if the "Elect" were foreordain...I also want to know if the "Elect" were foreordained before time... and were to be saved... then how could they ever be "enemies"?<BR/><BR/>Be Blessed,<BR/>iggyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08894632401827590745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-5255839438607364192007-09-03T14:43:00.000-04:002007-09-03T14:43:00.000-04:00"Nothing that includes any imperfection is to be a..."Nothing that includes any imperfection is to be assigned to Almighty God: he is God all-sufficient; he is our rock, and his work is perfect."<BR/><BR/>How about...Adam...or...Lucifer.<BR/><BR/>Gid is sovereign enough to create imperfection. The Scriptures declar He created evil.<BR/><BR/>(scratch our puny heads)Rick Fruehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05879848568892457571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-71477538184717835102007-09-03T14:01:00.000-04:002007-09-03T14:01:00.000-04:00The reference should be Romans 5:10..."For if, whe...The reference should be Romans 5:10...<BR/><BR/>"For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!"<BR/><BR/>Blessings,<BR/>iggyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08894632401827590745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-82037279200369032882007-09-03T14:00:00.000-04:002007-09-03T14:00:00.000-04:00dss,"If Christ atoned for the sins of all men then...dss,<BR/><BR/>"If Christ atoned for the sins of all men then all men will be saved, for a righteous God cannot condemn a man twice; if the man's sins have been atoned,..."<BR/><BR/>You missed my point completely and have actually shown the issue Calvin and Luther faced as I have stated.<BR/><BR/>You miss a verse in Romans 5...<BR/><BR/>"0. For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!"<BR/><BR/>Notice that we are reconciled by Jesus death... but saved through His Life...<BR/><BR/>You are only stating half the Gospel... that Jesus died for our sins and making that be the whole gospel...<BR/><BR/>It is not that we are saved at the cross... we are reconciled... the thing we need beleive is the Resurrection.<BR/><BR/>It was not surprise another Jew, even another Jewish "messiah" died (even on a cross) The "foolishness" Paul speaks of is the resurrection... <BR/><BR/>In your assertion you are saying one can be saved without the Resurrection and that atonement was all one needed.<BR/><BR/>Do you not realize God had the forgiveness issue already handled in the OT... it was part of the Law and that by sacrifice one was forgiven... yet, man was still to die... be it a forgiven dead man.<BR/><BR/>We need life to be saved... adn that life is in the Son... and by the cross we enter forgiveness and then receive salvation by Grace through faith.<BR/><BR/>To one is saved at the Cross... is only part of the gospel and leaves one... half way to salvation... and that is my main issue with a lot of theology out there...we have a lot of "christian" that are forgiven, but still need Life.<BR/><BR/>Be Blessed,<BR/>iggyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08894632401827590745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-16394016506928834092007-09-03T08:43:00.000-04:002007-09-03T08:43:00.000-04:00Everyone,Matthew 1.21: She will give birth to a so...Everyone,<BR/><BR/>Matthew 1.21: <BR/>She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins <BR/><BR/>Matthew 20.28 <BR/>just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many. <BR/><BR/>Ephesians 5.25 <BR/>Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her <BR/><BR/>"Nothing that includes any imperfection is to be assigned to Almighty God: he is God all-sufficient; he is our rock, and his work is perfect. [The Death of Death, John Owen, page 210] Just from a logical point, it was completely unnecessary for Jesus to die for the sins of those already in Hell. For those in Hell at the time of the crucifixion, if every single sin, including unbelief was atoned for, why are they still in Hell? For that reason, we must reject that John 3:16 teaches a Universal Atonement."<BR/><BR/>DTDead Theologianshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04749051924964777945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-49559254947945704872007-09-03T08:14:00.000-04:002007-09-03T08:14:00.000-04:00"How often would I have desired to gather you as a..."How often would I have desired to gather you as a hen gathers her chicks, but YOU would not".<BR/><BR/>Jesus - circa 28 AD<BR/><BR/>The supply was there, the demand was lacking.Rick Fruehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05879848568892457571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-71822395522226603612007-09-03T07:12:00.000-04:002007-09-03T07:12:00.000-04:00Iggy,If Christ atoned for the sins of all men then...Iggy,<BR/><BR/>If Christ atoned for the sins of all men then all men will be saved, for a righteous God cannot condemn a man twice; if the man's sins have been atoned, he cannot be sent to Hell on the basis of them. Scripture makes it abundantly clear that Christ through his sacrifice made a full and actual (no potential) redemption; "who gave himself to us to redeem us from all iniquity and to purify for himself a peculiar (chosen) people" (Titus 2:14); "he will save his people from their sins" (Matthew 1:21; "he entered once for all into the Holy Place, taking ... his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption" (Hebrews 9:12).<BR/><BR/>To use the late Greg Bahnsen's words:<BR/><BR/>Particular redemption is the only triune, monotheistic, substitutionary, personal, effectual, and biblical (hence, orthodox) doctrine of Christ's atonement; all else (including fundamentalism's redemption for every individual) are doctrines pleasing to men but unsatisfactory in their Theology, anthropology, and soteriology. Sola Scriptura!Deborahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00500233886533478141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-48952008820721805472007-09-01T22:20:00.000-04:002007-09-01T22:20:00.000-04:00aramis,There are Indian tribes in the Amazon that ...aramis,<BR/><BR/>There are Indian tribes in the Amazon that rarely let anyone in let alone a "white" person as they have had bad experiences with them.<BR/><BR/>Often to gain the confidence one may have to undergo certain things to earn their respect... I won't go into detail as it is not a pleasant experience for a guy... <BR/><BR/>What I am saying is that in certain cultures one might need to do as they do to gain their confidence and earn a voice. I am not meaning compromise on the essentials yet there may be some on the none essentials...<BR/><BR/>Also re-read my comment and I think that you will see that though I rejoice greatly in my freedom in Chirst, I do not see that one should use it as a way to justify acting contrary to our new nature as a New Creation...<BR/><BR/>Yet, with that freedom I think that there IS NO CONDEMNATION IN CHRIST and IF someone did do this for the very reason you state, I trust God will lead them in Truth by His Holy Spirit as He promised... I do not see God to be a liar and will finish what He starts... especially His great Salvation.<BR/><BR/>Be Blessed,<BR/>iggyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08894632401827590745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-34436099658786837442007-09-01T15:19:00.000-04:002007-09-01T15:19:00.000-04:00aramis - a good and enlightening comment. I agree ...aramis - a good and enlightening comment. I agree that tattoos are for the most part unwise and indicate other things. There are exceptions when people get a Scripture verse tattooed, but my point was always - unwise but not sinful.<BR/><BR/>I appreciate your expounding your views with clearity and brotherhood.Rick Fruehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05879848568892457571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-14817717756971396052007-09-01T14:55:00.000-04:002007-09-01T14:55:00.000-04:00Calm down please.You are misunderstanding what I s...Calm down please.<BR/>You are misunderstanding what I said. <BR/><BR/>Did I not agree that he died for all? <BR/>This is what I mean by moot. <BR/>If God has complete foreknowledge, and He does, then he is aware of all who will either accept or reject the Gospel. <BR/>Since He has knowledge of this, and does nothing to alter the consequences of men's decisions, then whether or not one agrees with predestination or not, the outcome is the same. The issue for me is always God's complete omniscience, which would by definition include being completely prescient.<BR/>We have no idea how many will be there in eternity.<BR/>I am not being cavalier with the issue of salvation.<BR/><BR/>Regarding Paul and Timothy,<BR/>Paul sharply rebuked those who pushed circumcision,as this is a heart attitude. God ordained circumcision to be a sign of the covenant, tattoos are not, so there is no comparison.<BR/><BR/>The tattoos serve no purpose other than to attract attention. Please don't tell me that that attracting attention to oneself helps open the door to evangelism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-49163146340061640772007-09-01T13:56:00.000-04:002007-09-01T13:56:00.000-04:00Rick,"Teaching that Christ did not die for those H...Rick,<BR/><BR/>"Teaching that Christ did not die for those He did is no moot point, it is as serious as it gets."<BR/><BR/>I agree!<BR/><BR/>blessings,<BR/>iggyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08894632401827590745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-90432962632431422682007-09-01T13:54:00.000-04:002007-09-01T13:54:00.000-04:00aramis,The Lord be with you also!Hmmm very Catholi...aramis,<BR/><BR/>The Lord be with you also!<BR/><BR/>Hmmm very Catholic though...<BR/><BR/>Be blessed,<BR/>iggyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08894632401827590745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-43773652187710721092007-09-01T13:51:00.000-04:002007-09-01T13:51:00.000-04:00aramis,you missed the point. We are not obligated ...aramis,<BR/><BR/>you missed the point. We are not obligated to keep the Law as Jesus keeps it for us (per my discussion with workman where we agree) :)<BR/><BR/>Yet, the point I am making is that Timothy did not need to "mutilate his body" but did so for the weaker brothers in Jerusalem.<BR/><BR/>Timothy and Paul "mutilated Timothy's body not out of legalism... rather that he be more accepted by the people in that they needed to do it to be "accepted" but that Paul saw with that out of that way they could get to the more important issues at hand... that Gentiles now came to faith by Grace as the Jew did...<BR/><BR/>Your take on this seems to indicate that WE can add to the imputed riotousness of Jesus Christ... and I will have to wholeheartedly disagree.<BR/><BR/>When Jesus was baptised He did because all priests washed themselves before they did their priestly duties... Jesus is the High Priest and in that way had to fulfill all righteousness...<BR/><BR/>Note: <BR/><BR/>Levitcus 8<BR/>2 Sameul 12<BR/><BR/><BR/>Jesus fulfilled all righteousness and I cannot add any more righteousness by works, which if you think about where you are going with your assertion that of works righteousness on the part of Timothy...<BR/><BR/>Blessings,<BR/>iggyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08894632401827590745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29190761.post-55234384599878038442007-09-01T13:45:00.000-04:002007-09-01T13:45:00.000-04:00"As for limited atonment, that is my main issue wi..."As for limited atonment, that is my main issue with Calvin. The rest is right on.<BR/>However God being a God of complete foreknowledge knows all who are in the Book. So in the greatest sense, it is a moot point."<BR/><BR/>A moot point? Is it a moot point whether God demonstrated His atoning love to all or some? Would it be a moot point whether the Passover Lamb suffered for billions or for millions? And would it be a moot point in the overall justice of God?<BR/><BR/>Teaching that Christ did not die for those He did is no moot point, it is as serious as it gets.Rick Fruehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05879848568892457571noreply@blogger.com